Is anyone aware of a re-parameterization of any asymmetric s-shaped function (like, but not necessarily the 5 parameter logistic curve), where one of the parameters is the first inflection point of the first derivative (i.e. the maximum of the second derivative).
I mean point 1 in the upper figure:
(The picture shows the point mentioned above for the of case of a symmetric logistic function.)
So far, I had a look at various references (among others Ratkowsky, D. A. (1990). Handbook of Nonlinear Regression Models. New York, Dekker). However, I have only found parameterizations, where one of the parameters is the inflection point of the function (point 2 in the upper figure).
Unfortunately, calculating this point after the estimation is not a possible solution in my case as this parameter should be integrated in another equation that is estimated simultaneously.
Best Answer
Pace Procrastinator, this sort of thing can be done.
Consider the five-parameter logistic model. It has many parameterizations, but it's simple and natural to reduce them to something like
$$y = nu +tau left(1+e^{frac{x-mu }{sigma }}right)^{-rho }$$
with $rho gt 0$. We can interpret $mu$ and $nu$ as $x$ and $y$ locations and $sigma$ and $tau$ as $x$ and $y$ scales; $rho$ is the shape or asymmetry parameter.
Let $x_{+}$ be the location of one extremum of the second derivative and $x_{-}$ be the location of the other extremum. Then, solving for the zeros of the third derivative, I find them at
$$x_{pm} = mu + sigma log left(frac{(3 rho +1) pmsqrt{(rho +1) (5 rho +1) }}{2 rho ^2}right).$$
Whence, setting
$$kappa = exp frac{x_{+}-x_{-}}{sigma}$$
we find
$$rho = frac{3 kappa pmsqrt{kappa ^3+2 kappa ^2+kappa }}{kappa ^2-7 kappa +1},$$
taking the positive sign when $kappa$ exceeds the larger root of $1-7x+x^2=0$ (about $6.8541$) and the negative sign when $kappa$ is less than the smaller root (about $0.145898$)–other values of $kappa$ will not give a sigmoidal curve–and
$$mu = frac{x_{+} + x_{-}}{2} + sigma log(rho).$$
This allows a parameterization in terms of $(sigma, nu, tau, x_{-}, x_{+})$ (with some significant restrictions on $sigma$ needed to make the results valid).
Here is a plot of $y$ (in blue) and its third derivative (in red) based on these formulas with the parameters set to $(-1/4, 1/2, 1, 1, 0)$:
Indeed, the ascending zero of the third derivative occurs at $1$ and the descending zero at $0$, as specified.
This parameterization is not necessarily so messy. If your data are within a narrow range, for instance, the asymptotic values might not matter and you could just use a suitable polynomial. Without knowing more about the particular problem, it's hard to provide a specific recommendation.
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