I have a pretty standard situation of a study in which repeated measurements are taken from the same individuals. There are two factors: "Group" (with 25 individuals in each of two groups) and "Day" (time is treated here as a categorical variable). To keep things simple, let's consider only two time points, Day 1 and Day 2. When working in R, the data would look as follows (ID – subjects' IDs; Group – labels for the groups; Day – factor indicating the day of sampling, with 2 levels; BW – body weight, kg):

` dat ID Group Day BW 1 ID1 A Day 1 2333.231 2 ID2 A Day 1 2615.744 3 ID3 A Day 1 2282.484 4 ID4 A Day 1 2796.806 5 ID5 A Day 1 2262.759 6 ID6 A Day 1 2520.216 7 ID7 A Day 1 2606.598 8 ID8 A Day 1 2617.347 9 ID9 A Day 1 2439.651 10 ID10 A Day 1 2515.900 11 ID11 B Day 1 2692.253 12 ID12 B Day 1 2208.707 13 ID13 B Day 1 2343.652 14 ID14 B Day 1 2564.080 15 ID15 B Day 1 2411.044 16 ID16 B Day 1 2774.001 17 ID17 B Day 1 2634.651 18 ID18 B Day 1 2514.433 19 ID19 B Day 1 2198.449 20 ID20 B Day 1 2505.220 21 ID1 A Day 2 2314.214 22 ID2 A Day 2 2302.396 23 ID3 A Day 2 2319.029 24 ID4 A Day 2 2533.612 25 ID5 A Day 2 2290.300 26 ID6 A Day 2 2168.727 27 ID7 A Day 2 2466.597 28 ID8 A Day 2 2223.379 29 ID9 A Day 2 2441.762 30 ID10 A Day 2 2288.917 31 ID11 B Day 2 1984.846 32 ID12 B Day 2 2702.819 33 ID13 B Day 2 2793.834 34 ID14 B Day 2 2563.337 35 ID15 B Day 2 2666.664 36 ID16 B Day 2 2399.159 37 ID17 B Day 2 2586.255 38 ID18 B Day 2 2193.912 39 ID19 B Day 2 2797.592 40 ID20 B Day 2 3043.074 `

Here is a graphical representation of these data (data points coming from the same subject are connected with dashed lines to make it easier to understand the structure of this dataset):

In order to test the effects of Group and Day, I could fit a mixed-effects model using e.g. the nlme package for R:

`# Fit the model: M <- lme(BW ~ Day * Group, random = ~ 1 | ID, data = dat) # check the significance of effects: anova(M) numDF denDF F-value p-value (Intercept) 1 18 5564.085 <.0001 Day 1 18 0.326 0.5753 Group 1 18 2.849 0.1087 Day:Group 1 18 3.631 0.0728 `

Thus, according to the fitted mixed-effects model (which was adequate for these data – diagnostics were run but are not presented here), neither of the examined factors (Day and Group) are affecting the response variable; also, there is no interaction between the two factors.

This is the type of analysis that I would do for such a dataset if I were asked to. However, in my organisation many people have no idea about the mixed-effects models. What they would typically do is applying a bunch of t-tests (or similar tests) to detect the effect of the "Group" on each of the sampling dates. For example, for the data shown above one would conduct a t-test for Day 1 and another t-test for Day 2, getting the following results:

Day 1: P = 0.271

Day 2: P < 0.001

Thus, they would claim that there was a significant Group effect on Day 2. I tried to explain that this result would not be correct because of the presence of correlation in data, which originates from the repeated measurements made on the same subjects. However, a colleague of mine asked a question that I could not answer easily. He said:

"Ok, the observations are correlated, I get that. But for now, forget about the fact that we have data from Day 1 and suppose that there are data only from Day 2. Observations in Group A and Group B are independent from each other, and so we are allowed to apply to a t-test or something similar. When we do apply a t-test [*as shown above*], we get a significant Group effect. How should we then treat this result?"

And this is exactly the point were I got stuck. Indeed, if one has only the information from Day 2 and does a simple t-test, one gets a very different (and, in principle, justified) conclusion than the one obtained with the mixed effects model. **Which method of analysis is to trust then? Is the Group effect real?**

I feel like I am missing some important piece for justification of the use of mixed model. Any hint would be highly appreciated.

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#### Best Answer

Taking your second point first, your analysis of Day looked at the aggregate across days and there is no Day effect on average. There might be one on Day 2 but you really should have a justification for believing Day 2 more than other days.

Point 1, that Day 1 isn't significant while Day 2 does show an effect is a meaningless point to make. Ignoring the correlation and analysis techniques, even if what your colleagues claim is true, it's not useful. The implied argument is that the effect of group in Day 1 is different from Day 2 and that wasn't tested. That's what your interaction tested and it's not significant.

Finally, from the tenor of this report it sounds like there's a lot of being hung up on what significant and what's not. For example, if Day 1 and Day 2 effects are both in the same direction but one is significant and one is not are they really contradictory? Think about that.

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